Saturday, August 31, 2019

Real Reason Why Pakistan Is Rattled To The Core Because of Abolishing Of Article 370?

The recent unparliamentary statements from Pakistani leadership, right from Imran Khan, Army Chief Bajwa till local body leaders from Pakistan shows Pakistan is rattled, threatened and feeling the real heat because of scrapping of article 370.

On the surface of it it appears, by abolishing article 370, India has unilaterally decided that J&K is no more a disputed territory. Now Pakistan is worried that, J&K which is their struggle for the whole life, and an icon for Pakistan's existence, is wiped out. They also fear that, India by abolishing article 370 has unilaterally converted LOC into defacto international border. 

But is it the only reason why Pakistan is giving statements of extremity, insanity? They are literally threatening the world by saying, if article 370 is not reinstated then there will be a nuclear war.

The question is, why Pakistan should be worried so much about article 370? After all, it was just an administrative correction from Indian side. It was needed to bring equality, parity amongst the population and open new avenues of prosperity. Nothing changed at the ground level for Pakistan. Still they could call it a disputed territory, still they could claim Kashmir as their own and still they could infiltrate terrorists in J&K.   

Then Why Pakistan is So rattled?

The real reason is as follows. Pakistan knows, scrapping article 370 was needed to correct the problems within India but it is not the India's final solution. India will not stop at this. They will capture PoK to integrate entire J&K and that will be the final solution. The prospect of losing PoK is what rattling Pakistan.

But why Pakistan should be worried unnecessarily on this possibility? After all they have an active army of 6.5 million and NUCLEAR capability to protect Pakistan's territorial interests. Pakistan has always used Nuclear capability as a deterrent for lot of bad actions in the past. Pakistan will never give up PoK without a fight and possible use of nuclear warheads. Then why this rhetoric of threats?  

Pakistan is feeling the heat because of couple of reasons.
1) Pakistan's weak economy will not allow Pakistan to fight a conventional war with India for more than 7 days. After that Pakistan's defeat is certain.

2) To counter that, nuclear war is the option but Pakistan knows, nuclear weapons are just a deterrent. They can showcase them as a deterrent but cannot use them. If they use them, then they will be wiped out physically and logically. Hence that is not a real option.

3) International pressure - Pakistan's International standing is so weak that no country in the world except China is ready to stand in support of Pakistan. In recent days, Pakistan did try to internationalize the Kashmir issue but failed miserably because no one except China supported it. China's support is because of CPEC project, which it wants to protect. I will touch upon this point later.

This international apathy for Pakistan and Kashmir is what really rattling Pakistan.


Let's understand how international body is thinking?

US wants to get out of Afghanistan ASAP. They are negotiating with Taliban for the transfer of power after September 2019 elections. But Afghanis and Indians don't want Taliban to take over power because it will again start violence, instability and terrorism in South Asia. Plus Taliban's
rule in Afghanistan will be an "advantage Pakistan". Pakistan will use Afghanistan as a backyard to
train terrorists and situation like 2001 will reemerge. And nobody, including US wants that to happen. 

Then what is the option? The option is, India needs to play an active role in supporting Afghani government to stabilize. US also wants India to play a stabilizer role because it is in close proximity of Afghanistan as compared to the US main land. But to play active role in Afghanistan, India needs direct access to Afghanistan. 

Today, all modes of access to Afghanistan goes through either Pakistan or Iran. India cannot ask Iran to provide safe route for the Indian military to enter into Afghanistan because of strained relations between US and Iran, and Pakistan will never allow Indian air force planes to fly over its territory. If India cannot get a safe passage to transport men, machinery and supplies then it cannot operate in Afghanistan.

This is where the permanent solution of PoK comes into play. Please see the attached map below.


The above map shows, the only entry point from India to Afghanistan is through PoK. That is why PoK is strategically so important.

If India integrates PoK with rest of the Kashmir then India can get direct Road access to Afghanistan. India can use this route to sustain its mission in Afghanistan and provide stability.

US will agree for this plan and drum up support from other western countries. This has lot more strategic value than just stabilizing Afghanistan.

1) India will get direct access to central asian markets via road, which will improve trade and commerce.

2) US in future, need not depend on Pakistan's strategic geographical position to access Afghanistan and Central Asia. They need not pay ransom money to Pakistani generals for keeping the transportation routes open. India will be a reliable and friendly country to deal with. Russia too will support this because they too don't want Taliban to come back. 

3) US will use "Unified J&K" as a counter measure to keep China under check. This action will affect China's expansion plans in South and Central Asia. The big danger here is China's reputation as a  "Loan Shark". They give loans to the smaller countries for developing infrastructure but when these small countries cannot repay the loan then they ask that land for themselves. China has done same thing in Sri Lanka and taken over entire port. If Pakistan cannot replay China's loan then same thing will happen with Pakistan's CPEC project. If Pakistan gives CPEC area to China then that would be disastrous because then China will get direct road access to Iran, which US don't want at all to happen.

Hence there is a good chance that US will support India to integrate PoK with J&K. Pakistani leadership knows this may happen and that is why they are so worried to save PoK. India is also making it clear that PoK belongs to India. Indian leadership has recently made number of such statements saying, PoK belongs to India.

What will Pakistan do if India takes a military action in PoK? 

Pakistan will fight back, there will be collateral damage and Pakistan will lose PoK. But it will not go for a nuclear war because US will assure Pakistan that if Pakistan backs off then US will get them World Bank loan to rebuild the economy. They will offer other incentives to Pakistan to let go PoK. Pakistan will accept it because the other route is total destruction of the country.

What will China do if India takes PoK?

China will have major problem for CPEC investments because a big portion goes through PoK. Please see the map below. CPEC going through PoK is marked with Blue color.






China may threaten to open another front on the eastern side but will not do so because of US pressure. If they open another front with India then that will start a very big war and lot of countries will get involved in it. Hence chances of China opening another front with India are remote.


Instead, China and India can made a deal, ahead of time to protect CPEC route in PoK, India can sign a contract with China to protect China's investment! China will welcome this because its huge investments in CPEC would be protected and it would be mutually beneficial for both the countries. Hence I don't think China will go into confrontation mode. This is visible now itself, after recent close door UN meeting on Kashmir, China has not supported Pakistan on its Kashmir policy. 

Hence there is a good chance that India will eventually move into PoK to integrate with J&K.

Coming months will be very action packed and dangerous but India has to go through it to end the problem permanently.

148 comments:

  1. Narration seems to be a logical conclusion and it is possible that we have to snatch POK with muscle power as the opponent is a rouge state as such negotiation cannot be an option.

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    1. Excellent awesome write up with immense depth n remarkable knowledge.
      Appreciate

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    2. Seems fine but for two aberrations.
      1) Between economic gain and "all weather ally" rubbish will China really back off from confronting India; that too with Tibet running a Parliament-in -exile in India?
      2) How far the US pressure on China will work?

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    3. India, in my opinion should make it clear to China that since they advanced their CPEC throgh POK (an Indian territory) without having any agreement with India (which India wd have never agreed) India can destroy the whole investment of China, or India can allow to complete CPEC but India can levy Entry/Exit tax on every goods movement (like Panama channel) and make good money out of Chinese trade and also control it. India has everything to gain from China's misplaced agression.

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    4. Chinese relationship with Pakistan is strictly based on CPEP advantages.It has no soft corners for any nations. They are very shrud when it comes to their economic interests. Viewed from this angle they will not hesitate even for a second the very minut they get the assurance from India to protect their CPEP interests.China knows very well that India is a nation of high integrity and hence will honour international commitments

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    5. The problem with the above model is that the pakistani leadership is hardly logical and mature. Their PM Mr. Khan
      may be a bit more mature.
      But he hardly counts. The real leaders are the military genarals. And we
      know how their think process goes. It is anything but the long term welfare of Pakistan.
      That is the main worry.

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    6. Really a brilliant write-up. China is indeed in a precarious position. It's huge investment is locked in CPEC. It would ensure a respectful and profitable solution out of this situation.

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    7. Very wholesome and logical plausible write up summerizing the situation.Hopefully world also thinks in het same depth.

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    8. 1. US intent is to withdraw from Afghanistan. Hence, US would want peace in Afghanistan. India can support this intention, but at what cost? Cost of war between India and Pakistan with constant threat from China? Or at a cost of unrest in J&K with US funding Pakistan to spread propaganda against hindu population of India and then approach UN for legal resolution? In both the above costs,the strategic buffer POK between India and Pakistan can be occupied legally by India.

      2. For the war option, a place of tactical and strategic importance for Pakistan has to be captured in a limited warfare scenario, after proper diplomatic ceasing of the reputation of the country in international forum.
      In leu of that small part of land, POK can be bargained.
      Reason- Capturing high altitude mountains of so many kilometers in POK might exhaust all resources with both the countries, this will cost highest and should be resorted at the end only.Also, China's opportunity to have a simultaneous limited operation at Siligury corridor to bargain captured POK from India cannot be negated.

      3. For later option of UN resolution- Bigger issue and a crisis situation should arise at international level. For that unrest in J&K is required. For that US wishes to fund Pakistan again and hence, the media update of meeting between Mr Trump and Mr Khan was promulgated. As a precautionary action article 370 was abducted from Indian Constitution, which has added legal options to India and leads to no rites situation by ivoking emergency in the valley.
      The same is prominently visible in media handling at international level by top American and Islamic media houses on the issue.

      4. The possibilities to be identified before the action. What if once war starts, US and Russia remain neutral? What if China take it against their ideology of world supremacy and cause economical damages to India simultaneously during war between India and Pakistan?

      5. China's take- China is interested in CPEC investment and furtherance till Iran. Completion of the project will lead to China- Iran collation, which will not be intended by US. However, that is going to happen without India Pakistan war also. Hence, China must be having plan to counter India and US Ally already. Furtherance and sustainability of CPEC ,can be diplomatically dealt with but at a cost of Chinese presence on both sides of the country in J&K.

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    9. Creation of POK was illogical and part of International politics to permanantly keep newly created divisions thent, Territory under Continued but opposed aggression of Britishers termed as East and West Pakistan with balance territory as India leaving over 550 Princely State to choose where to merge in the two parts or keep their separate entity. This policy was adopted by parting Britishers to keep the ceotic situation alive to suit them their reentry on the grounds to be projected before world that the Indians are not worthy of ruling as country.Tsuch CONFIDANCE was shaken by Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and made the Princely State to merge with India.Mean while Pakistan rule was trying to snatch Junagad Princely State to get merged wit West Pakistan but failed. While Indian rule Wes engaged in merging Princely States in part of Territory underBritish rule assigned to Indian leadership, Pakistan took the chance of taking Military action and forcibly and Highhandedly acquired the then recognised separate territory, out side British rule, of Baluchistan on the lines of sending Military in the name of locals of Kashmir Kingdom as initially the King of entire Kashmir territory was not ready to join India and wanted to keep his Kingdom as independant Nation with non entity Military without adequate weapons. Pakistan leadership to the situation as golden apportunity of aggression and take charge of Kashmir which King of Kashmir could not retaliate and approach Indian care taking rule to help and agreed to merge with India.Thereafter Indian forces drove Pak forces beyond Kashmir territory and captured sizable part of Territory under Pak rule. Then Care taking Primem Minister Forced the Indian forces to withdraw and against the interest of Kashmir King and India took the issue wit UNO. Though UNO had no standing to opine on the issue, took under the functional folds of UNO and Indian forces were directed to be retreated line of Kashmir Territory upt where Pak forces had highandedly occupied the territory of Kashmir King posing to be disgruntled subject of the King.
      Under the circumstances on the lines of Kashmir the occupation of territory of Baluchistan, Sindh should also should be declared illegal and unpardonable PURPOSEFUL MISTAKE COMMITTED BY PARTING BRITISH SHOULD BE RECTIFIED BY REDUCING TERRITORY UNDER PAKISTAN INTO FOUR PARTS HIGHHANDEDLY BEING TOLARATED UNDER ONE RULE.WITH THIS THE ISSUE OF AFGHANISTAN WITH SAFE ENTYR TO iINFIA IN WILL BE SOLVED PREMATURELY.

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  2. The plan seems very rational and far sighted.
    Highly appreciable.
    Whatever the Indian government decide, the people of India are with them in their plans.
    Jai Hind !!!

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    1. Yes now everything seems possible as government has awaken patriotism in all and so far have done good for India and they think ahead where all put full stop they start ...we have complete trust in today's government and so all have stand strong and that makes lots of difference while taking any decision..hope all opposing parties too should realise n understand that for coming generation to have safe and better life we must do this .

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    2. An interesting and credible analysis, except for one thing. Based on all indicators, the likelihood of China backing off or agreeing to a compromise appears very, very remote. China has never bothered at all about world opinion, and there is no reason to assume that they will do so now.

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  3. The narrative is logical and diplomatically possible. The entire nation MUST stand with the government.

    I am and will

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    1. Yes. That would solve all the problems including facing with China. If the other parties are practical and our I dian government is favouring then there should be no problem. But, given the Porkistani mind set solving the problem through their Terrorists and Jihadists then there will be permanent problem.

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  4. Very good information in a very simple and understandable language.

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  5. we will take POK? You should speak to some army officer who has spent >10 years along the Rajouri/Poonch Axis and then maybe a few in Gurez.
    WE will be lucky to advance 15Km into POK.

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    2. A very good and logical analysis of the situation.Sincererly hope it happens that way.But the main worry is the sliding economic situation and the so called opposition parties who for petty political interests speak in the language condusive to the enemy.

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    3. A very good and logical analysis of the situation.Sincererly hope it happens that way.But the main worry is the sliding economic situation and the so called opposition parties who for petty political interests speak in the language condusive to the enemy.

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  6. Imran Khan is a sportsman and not a politician. Pakistanis choose him as PM is wrong on their part. Imran's dream is fulfilled but not Pakistanis.

    They never ever change for good. By birth criminilism, bloodshed, haterate towards India, Hindustani and many other reasons.

    Our own people are flooding money to Pakistan for unwarranted activities. Knowingly about the present situation if they stop supporting, they will survive from law else die till death in prison.

    Each and every one who is supporting pak will suffer and new generation will change the country to HINDUSTAN again.

    Evey Indian should support our PM to make the country world number one by 2024.

    Hope for the best.

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  7. Annexing POK is good for India, but in the international level we may get a bad name that we are aggressing . Besides the population is 80% Muslims . they never would support India. We must strategically plan to get over it. (Mayavaram sv Balu 1.9.2019)

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    1. Annexing is not the right word. It should be Liberating our part of land from clutches of Pakistan.

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    2. Lookout for India setting up a Military base in Afghanistan as a precursor.

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  8. Good analysis.. but the cobra effect is not discussed..

    All are realistic but when comes to decision considering the interest of nation, the most remote chances must be considered and such enemy powers must be defused before action..

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  9. The lucid analysis seems to be feasible on table. However, the pakis' are not foolish. Once India enters Afgasthan through POK, it is very easy for Indian Military to open new front on western side og Pak. Baluch will get ready assistance from Indian Forces and may get liberated easily from Pak. Secondly instead of fighting on eastern and western front and getting sandwiched Pak prefer to opt Nuclear deterrent. As it may think that, living with or without POK it's end is sure. If it decides to vanish from Globe, why not die with Nuclear disaster. Opting either option, it's death is sure. Secondly, China will not allow India to acquire POK, else it's very purpose of looting Baluch rich natural resources, will get defeated. The repayment of huge investment made in CPEC will be beyond sight.
    In any case, chances of Third World War seems to be indispensable. It will start between China & Pak Vs India. India wikk pretend to be on defensive mode at Primary Stage. However, seeing economic and strategic move of China in speedy advancement, USA & Russia may join together and stop China in advancing further. And at the last India will again enter in the Big War, will not stop till China get defeated permanently. PAK may get swallowed up partly by India and partly by Russia keeping an eye on rich natural treasure hidden in Baluch. This is what I forecast.

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    2. The last Para, highly improbable.

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    3. India defeating China or vice-versa in a direct conflict is not M9even a distant possibility in the present context of international relationship s.

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    5. Knowing the backdrop of the new political and diplomatic ties that India has forged I the recent times, A war with China would be averted. Consider that in 1971 Russia alone had blocked the Combined Naval forces of NATO and checked on any aggression by China, the changed scenario would see India getting support by Russia as well as NATO. Consider thecose ties with Iran that would lead to the western front if Pakistan at risk. So Politically and Diplomatically evaluating the War Scenario, Pakistan would be at disadvantage to open a direct confrontation.

      I am nit sure if any if the readers or those who commented on this article are privy to the point that USA has already started thinking on the direction of Supporting India to regain the POK as well as Gilgit Baltistan that are illegally occupied by Pakistan. UK parliament on other hand has passed a resolution in support of India.

      Another aspect from economy perspective that could be deterrent for China to enter war is the trade between India and China. The overall investment by China on CPEC is way less than its trade with India. So, a country like China would look at own economic i ferret rather than worrying about lost case of CPEC with POK & Gilgit Baltistan getting merged with India. I would agree with the possibility of China entering an agreement with India to let the BRI project cross Gilgit Baltistan on payment of certain levy to India. This possibility would secure their investment and provide them much needed access to Arabian Sea and the Road network to middle east

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  10. Mr. Kisher Katti has rightly assessed the situation. the possibility of war is very less especially in the prevailing circumstances of Pakistan being on the verge of bankruptcy. the interference by international community is ruled out at this stage. if India works on political diplomacy then pok will be Indian territory easily. War is not good for india too. Hope to solve issue very soon.

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    1. But they have to take some drastic steps to live upto the expectations of the people so as to save face. Their PM being an aggressive fast bowler his mindset will be offensive. They will have to make a u-turn and become very brainy to avoid such a scenario because going into war will not do any good to them.

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    2. Why we should be pawn of America? The present trade war could be bigger game between China and America. If China is successful for alternate market for its products, its economy will be free from its dependence on America. China has highest investment in America securities. So it can also bring on pressure on America. What is great advantage to China to support above theory?

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    3. Why we should be pawn of America? The present trade war could be bigger game between China and America. If China is successful for alternate market for its products, its economy will be free from its dependence on America. China has highest investment in America securities. So it can also bring on pressure on America. What is great advantage to China to support above theory?

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  11. Must say that you have beautifully explained the likely or probable course of action by India. Keep going great. However, what is your thought process on time it might take for it to get executed can be deliberated.

    Regards
    Indian-Share-Tips.com

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  12. Beautifully explained article,very bold actions required by govt of the day.Govt may have out the box solution seeing their past actions.in any case nation stands together for any bold action by the government. ✌

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  13. Why US is so eagar to vacate Afghanistan

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  14. The major area of concern which is not factored in this whole article is very local people loyalty which is suspect. The reason for restrictions are local people have loyalty to neighbour because of religion and our administration should address and take people into confidence which means half of the battle is won.

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  15. It is an excellent analytical narrative. Deserves congrats. Though PoK and CoK are essentially original parts of J&K, they have since long been separated from India politically, whomsoever one attributes the separation. Nevertheless, India does have the claim over it's legal lien on them. If India unitedly and resolvedly upholds this claim, she will be morally rightful to retrieve them by any means. Though it is so, to do so after passage of the long spell of six to seven decades, it would certainly need some more rightful motive which should morally disuade many a eyebrow. The appropriate motive is certainly there. It only needs to be tactfully presented diplomatically.
    I wish the Indian government the best in this regard.

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    1. India has moral and legal claim. China has claimed Tibet despite more than a century of Tibet being a free territory.

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  16. It needs further analysis to strategic implications and international order to support it.

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  17. Excellent analysis and simple language that can be understood even by ordinary person like self. However final conclusions more like, not only author's, but every Indian's wish. God Almighty only knows how events may unfold and even as we boldly face the enemy at the warfront, those of us inland pray for the safety of each and every of our brave jawans. Back to reality, China has relied too much on obor/cpec. If it goes, Xi/11/half Nelson for the world too has to go, therefore will let go only at great collateral damage to India. For USA, obor has to go as otherwise, if it is success will make China supercede USA as No.1 nation. PoK will become the theatre of war with Pak&China on one side and India backed by Western powers on the other side. India has to fight its own battle for survival and cannot expect anybody else to do it for them. Or is that really so? No India will be strongly backed by Israel, Japan and South Korea. If C&P wins these countries too will have difficult times.

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    1. Bold and constructive action plan is must to save our country people and environment

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  18. Excellent narration and logical conclusion. The author has done very good research and consolidated a most probable theory connecting many dots. Yet, is Pakistan needed to thought of as such a small country under pressure seems to be underestimating them. They have completely unpredictable most of the time. China has been pressured up by US on international trade and would definitely want to hamper the growth of India somehow and could be looking for the right options. China is also strong in military and the joint action with Pak against India they may not win in the long run however India might have many things to lose. Our economy is also in doldrums and needed to consider the long term impacts. Yet one time resolutions to such cross country situations are always good. Just a question in the past late Atalji has also been on the defensive and was the same fear, don't know...

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    1. With due respect Atalji was also defensive and commited mistake of accepting formally that Tibet is part of China.
      India should support claim of Independent Tibet to pressurise china

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  19. I think Pakistan won't only lose POK, Pakistan would disintegrate as a country in many states. Many of them would want to integrate with India. Imran Khan is the last PM !

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  20. One option not considered by the author is the possibility of Israel and USA taking out Pakistani nuclear option with backing from India. That will make our task risk free and much easier.

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    1. All that Glitter is not Hold. But seems to workable according to the article. I think locals will support us

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  21. Excellent narration and logical conclusion. Article 370 is just the beginning to convert present line of control to International border. Our intention should be to take over POK and have bargaining power when it comes to CPEC wherein Chinese have strategic interests. Kudos to strategic thinkers and we all should support present government in handling the present situation.

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  22. Great possibility,
    However ignores the reality of physical gradient where POK is higher and it will have incredibly high human costs to grab that portion of land forcibly

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  23. Good narrative.. best course of action for India.. continue bleeding Pakistan economically.. engage them in Arms race.. in long run..Pakistan with its weak economy will go bankrupt.. simultaneously India needs to build n strengthen its spy network on the area of interest.. to build narrative against the government establishment.. as it is people in POK n Baluchistan are up with arms against the Pakistan Army..things will fall in place in short span of time.. confident the current dispensation under Modi/Doval are working on these lines..

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  24. The author done the scenario painting very imaginatively.
    The options appear beyond the realm of practicality. Pak
    Army for one would love India walking down this path. They
    would like to trap and cause severe attrition to lndian Army
    (IA) not only in Afghanistan (Af) but also along stretched line
    of communication passing through POK. Force lA to use air
    head to sustain its fighting forces and cause severe attrition
    to IAF elements in doing so.
    Pak has been waging proxy war in J&K which has proved
    to be a low cost option for bleeding India. This has
    been possible due to their proximity spatially as also
    with section of population. Imagine the damage they
    could cause to occupation force with large parts of Af
    in Talibani- Pak control.
    The good part is that India is known to think through an
    action rather than jumping into it head long.
    To me personally this sort of thought process might
    have an ISPR seed.
    Lets be careful.


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    1. Very good logical explanation but there are lots of if & buts

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    2. A far fetched theory by a dreamer. Hope you can write something realistic not a filmy story and pass it off as a political analysis. Never underestimate your enemy

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    3. A far fetched theory by a dreamer. Hope you can write something realistic not a filmy story and pass it off as a political analysis. Never underestimate your enemy

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    4. Besides making a good script idea for Akshay Kumar's next movie, it doesn't seem to inspire much confidence beyond that. Of course Bhankts are always happy at any prospect of Pak bashing:)

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  25. If this plan has to work out, then pushing Pakistan into deeper financial crisis is important. We may whether there is an implicit understanding between India and USA for executing this plan if Pakistan is successfully moved to FATF blacklist in mid October.

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  26. India lost the opportunity in Afghanistan last time. Do you think this time India take lead role in Afgan. The meeting last week Taliban did not invite India. Unless US make it a point to keep India in the front as the peace keeping force, we will not have an edge in the strategy visualizer by the blogger

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  27. THE ACESSTION OF ENTIRE JK IS LEAGAL AND PAKISTAN ILLEAGALY WANTED TO GRAB KASHMIR BY FORCE .THE UN RESOLUTION OF AUG 48 CLEARLY ASK PAKISTAN TO VACATE POK AND ONLY INDIA FORCES WILL REMAIN IN JK BUT PAKISTAN NEVER IMPLIMENTED THE RESOLUTION .THIS A APROPRIATE TIME TO CAPTURE POK BY FORCE OR THROUGH MEDIIATION OF US AND OTHER COUNTRIES TO PRESSURISE PAKISTAN AND CHINA ALSO MUST COOPRATE WITH INDIA FOR MUTUAL BENIFIT

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  28. Well written article. However I think that it is impossible for India to acquire POK. Pakistan is an ideological nation, not a logical or security seeking nation. Its children are taught in school, "Kashmir Banega Pakistan". Indeed the "K" in Pakistan stands for Kashmir. So it is really impossible for any government to give up POK.

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  29. Wow really superb analysis.. Salutes to you..

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  30. US military has already voiced it's support for India when Rajnath Singh said that talks in future will be on POK only. India has already asked Pak to vacate POK in 1994 through a resolution and the present government is going to follow up on taking back POK from Pak as per the statements of Rajnath Singh. The assessment in this blog is spot on.

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  31. This scenario is wishful thinking as Pakistan’s Army will never fight a war nor tone down its strategy of fighting a low cost war. Our leadership hasn’t got the guts to wage war against Pakistan.
    We lost a golden opportunity to liberate Gilgit Baltistan in 1999 because Atalji banned our Armed Forces from crossing the border resulting in much more casualties to our troops. We need to liberate Balochistan which Pakistan captured in 1948 and reacquire Gilgit Baltistan. This will leave a narrow truncated Pakistan with no depth.
    While war is an expensive proposition it is definitely cheaper than bleeding heavily for decades as we are suffering.

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  32. Logically I convinced with this situation but things are not so simple.Pajistan Govt has a little control over Military and terrorist.Inspite of taking good decision govt of Pakistan can't take individual decision without consent of military.Nucleur weapon may go in hand if Terrorist. Pakistan is a country if mindless politicians.If they will fail war they will use Nuclear bomb without thing it's result.Many times they don't thing about their lives.

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  33. POK in every sense of the word belong to INDIA since it was and continue to be an illegally occupied land. By any International Law or Norm, India has the full and total rights to get it back; my view is a forth possibility, file a case against Pakis to leave POK - this must keep China away from the fold and all their clandestine manoeuvres with Pakis.

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  34. Well written Blog. Compliments to Mr Kishor. Let me try and list out a few facts:

    1. Taking POK militarily is not as simple as what is being made out here. I speak from personal experience. Unlike what a lot of people may like to believe Pak army is quite professional and well trained. They may he corrupt and thier Generals may harbour delusions of their importance in the overall scheme of things, but as an army it is still a strong and professional force.

    2. There are too many geopolitical issues and global realpolitik is never so straight forward and simple.

    3. One must also remember the postition/affiliation of the local Kashmiris. Even in POK the locals may not be very fond of Pak Govt but I do not think that they will simply allow Indian forces to take over the area. Let's not forget that we are talking of an area greater than 86,000 sq kms! Out of this area Gilgit Baltistan alone accounts for approx 73,000 sq kms.
    4. Indian Army strength and numbers notwithstanding, the logistics involved in marching through such a large area are not something which has been ever factored into The plans. This is because the costs involved in creating the infrastructure to make such a proposition viable will be humungous.
    5. China cannot and will not sit back allowing India to grab the initiative, US interests notwithstanding. In fact if such a scenario came to pass, I feel China will find this a perfect opportunity to challenge the US hegemony and will fight to defend POK and its occupation of Shakasgam valley

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  35. Very true! To approach afghanistan through pok for india or the US would be pretty tedious so it is more probable that as subramaniam swamy often days and the west would have also decided that Pakistan in the present geographical form and a rogue, jihadist powerful and destructive army has to be dismantled along with its nuclear weapons and the us
    US is quite capable of making it happen without much military action!
    A straight route through sind, Karachi etc., and baluchistan to afghanistan will ensure effective indian rule in afghanistan!
    Contrary to the west the indian approach with a failed defeated pakistan will make the Taliban talk peace but the powers that be must negotiate or will be able to negotiate total disarmament ! Fighting (guerilla) being their strength must be avoided while weakening their ability to fight!
    Knowing amit doval this will mostly be his line of thought! Thus pok will restore indias longstanding stature as the true inheritors of maharaja accession the dismantling of pakistan will ensure final solution to terrorism on indian soil!

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  36. We must not feel it is cake walk into POK. Like USA & allies are desparate to get out after over decade of engagement. Any endeavour in this way will be very risky...guys laughing will be USA & China.

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  37. How do I subscribe to your blogs?

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  38. What about China occupied Kashmir ?

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    1. China will ceede it to India in the bargain of India protecting Chinese infra in POK portion of CPEC

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  39. Not possible because India has to be stronger both militarily and economically. With the present military strength India cannot achieve its object of taking POK and assisting US in Afghanistan.

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  40. Very useful post to all sections of people including students.My wish is to be friendly with China but to keep at bay, have closed door meetings on monthly basis to start with. Hope pak's expected cries will subside in due course if time. Thier economy will be weaker in months to come. We should start a psychological war by inciting Baluch and POK for annexation to India. They should go to UN for this. India can conveniently.......

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  41. Why not get Chinese occupied Kashmir liberated as well as reversal of Tibet policy and Tibet regains its independence.

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  42. Its not so easy as we expecting
    China will not sit quite but 370 is the right step from Indian Govt,Pok Govt knows no easy to fight with India.they also be planing as per thier capability.

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  43. Good write up. Seems to have taken inspiration from Dr. Subramanian Swami.

    DO NOT JUST TALK ABOUT PAKISTAN'S WEAKNESSES....TALK OF OUR OWN.

    We are not in position to take up any adventure in POK or, in Afghanistan. Our military is poorly equipped and logistically handicapped. We too cannot support a war for more than 20 days without suffering financial reverses. If we are fortunate, we might be in a position to dream about such a scenario in 2030-40 but now, it's just flights of imagination.

    So, instead of thinking about such misadventures and far fetched scenarios, GET DOWN TO WORK AND THINK ABOUT ASSIMILATING KASHMIR INTO INDIAN MAINSTREAM POSITIVELY AND GAINFULLY FOR ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS.

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  44. If we are thinking of going to take over Pok as a step. Don't you think that first step should be to control the water from India going into Pakistan which is I think about 4/5 or 1/3 of river water from india

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    1. It shd not limit it to water but complete ban on food, vegetable, medicine is also required to break the back bone of porkistan

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  45. Day dreaming. Do we really feel that liberating or taking back POK will be a 'cake walk'? Let's not live in fools paradise. If pressurised into a corner, Pakistani Generals or leadership won't hesitate to use the nuclear option, as consequences will be of least importance to them. But we should be weary of such extreme step by Pakistanis.

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  46. The analysis is too simplistic and difficult to obtain. The best thing would be to manage our own part of Kashmir and provide such good administration that it becomes the example of good governance to the PoK. With such stark differences, unhinging starts with flashpoints erupting within Pakistan itself. There far too many cultural differences in Pakistan that threaten it from within -Baloch, Sindh, Pakhtoons - despite its monotheistic status. We must plat upon the culturak differences and support the freedom movements within Pakistan.

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  47. I think that real person responsible for 370 was Neharu. His blunders are still haunting Bharat. Maharaja Harisingh also owned Tibet. just captured it in

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  48. I think that real person responsible for 370 was Neharu. His blunders are still haunting Bharat. Maharaja Harisingh also owned Tibet. just captured it in

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  49. I think that real person responsible for 370 was Neharu. His blunders are still haunting Bharat. Maharaja Harisingh also owned Tibet. just captured it in

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  50. Looks like the RSS propaganda machine is at work.

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  51. Too simplistic. Instead, pl allow Pak to dig its own grave by its own maladministration, international botch-ups, internal uprisings etc. May be India can help its acceleration by building economic blockade, starving of water, stoppage of trade relations/ exchange of arts/ playing sports etc while being empathetic to medical tourism. Meanwhile, wholeheartedly, support smoother and faster integration of JnK with mainland India. Sooner,PoK will merge with India without a bullet being exchanged. Patience is also an aggression.

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  52. The analysis by kisbore is multi- hypothetical. Also Pak army is not 6.5 million. It is 0.65 million or 6.5 Lakhs. Propably a typo in the blog.


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  53. Very good analysis geographically, politically, power basis and international relationship wise. It may also work as feedback to the concerned persons. This is possible only with Great P.M. Modi. Good luck Modi and Good Luck India.

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  54. Thanks for sharing such great information!!!!

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  55. Very interesting. It would help getting your posts if you could insert an option to receive alerts by email whenever you post.

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  56. It's huge embarassment for PAK army.It may lose its relevance. Snatching POK is whisful thinking. With China's interest it could be impossible.

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  57. Everything is fine till the script on recapture of POK. No country incuding US will go along with India on this plan. Then militarily its not just a huge ask but well nigh impossible. India has to stop dreaming about it and concentrate in putting the house in order on the Indian part of Kashmir. Resolution is best by accepting the status quo position.

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  58. Very interesting write up with indepth analysis.

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  59. Correction on last para

    It should be “make” not made

    Instead, China and India can “made” a deal,

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  60. All positive thinking but first we have to win the people of J&K

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  61. Nicely analysed and well drafted article. Thanks for sharing.

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  62. One line of probability is missing!!. What if we stop at present stage & not move ahead to integrate the PoK with India. It would save war & possibly huge war related losses to all. Yet, the very basic reason for Pak military existence would erode as the "Ghost" of special status of a disputed territory would vanish. When Pak military loses significance, Pak would disintegrate in the medium term

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  63. If US can't control or convince North Korea, how can we expect it to convince Pakistan and China without considering alternative possibilities?

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  64. An interesting article, which I feel, should send movie screen play writers scurrying for a copy. The offensive plans are fallacious at best & is devoid of any strategic military analysis. The scenario painted as perception & action by international players with vested interest is myopic & as seen through our wishful thinking glasses.
    It fails muster to even gain consideration by strategic war planning cell.

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  65. The analysis appears to be logical. But it is very hard to believe whether India would venture into Afghan affairs.

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  66. What will happen to the people living in pok?will the be driven to Pakistan?

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  67. It is not clear whether US amd western world will take India's side in war to win POK with condition that India will there after send army to Afghanistan to control Taliban and ISIS. It is sucidal to rule Afghanistan where Britsh, Russians and now Americals fail in this task.

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  68. If US is targeting access to Afghanistan, the local route is balochistan.

    1. The is a strong legal basis. It was an independent nation which was forcibly annexed. It can be legally declared independent or Pak asked to conduct plebiscite to prove its credibility as a champion of right to self determination.

    2. US can directly control Balochistan a through defence umbrella it offered to Middle East countries. In comparison, the is little chance of India sitting in the lap of USA and antagonizing China and Russia.

    3. Taliban wil need Indian market to sustain economically. Pak is bankrupt. Independence of Baluchistan suits Taliban as well.

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  69. Far fetched.there are no permanent allies in politics. There are many contradicting factors that will affect the outcome: oic is not taken into account here;in islam brotherhood begins by sacrificing self! Trump may take turns and twists on whim;will fifth columnists keep sleeping(fires are raging in every corner from Delhi to brazil)!

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  70. The solutions to these being readied and it is not what people are discussing above & about that Maverick Moron Subramaniam about help from the US to recover POK as quid pro quo for boots on the ground in Afghanistan. It is a typically moronic observation by a certified MORON. Of the 4 countries most likely to be negatively affected by the Afghan Taliban (Russia, Uzbekistan, China & India), only Russia & India have the reqd capacity for stepping up to the challenge & for this to happen, India requires to establish direct geographical contiguity with Afghanistan’s Wakhan Corridor & this is possible only when the entire PoK inclusive of Gilgit-Baltistan is under India’s control. And to make this happen, what India needs is not US support, but the support of Russia & Central Asian states like Uzbekistan & Tajikistan. That’s why one will notice that since last March, India’s bilateral interactions with Uzbekistan have increased manifold.

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  71. Afghan Forces are doing a fine job of fighting Taliban, ISI & Pakistanis. India can give increased support in form of weapons & training. Of course, Land access to Wakhan Corridor Afghanistan via recovery of Gilgit Baltistan would certainly help for logistical & moral support😀😀

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  72. You have used the phrase "the final solution" (probably innocently)...
    Pls Google "the final solution"..................

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  73. I have read this article. It's a very good analysis and I agree to the line of thinking of the author. However I want to add one more element into the analysis.

    In case China do not cede to the proposal of India on CPEC then both China and India will be ready to head on conflict. We leave it here at this moment.

    Let us examine that under this situation what would be the other options for these two countries! As well as what would be the stand of other nations on the Kashmir issue that's going to be very important. The stand of Russia on the issue of Kashmir in case of possible head on conflict with the India-China is going to be very important and perhaps the decisive factor.



    We need to remember that Russia is a common ally of both countries India and China.

    on one hand India is a very old ally of Russia and have a strong bonding in the area of supply of defence equipments and long ties on military, trade, political and cultural fronts with Russia. At the same time Russia has a treaty signed with the China as well titled as " treaty for good neighbourliness and friendly cooperation" in the year 2001. Important to note here is that Russia and China are neighbour and they share long land border between them.since 2001 after signing the aforesaid treaty Russia and China have been carrying a warm relationship and have no disputes amongst them. They also have a strong trade, political and cultural ties between them. Basically both countries follow the philosophy of communism.

    We all know that Mr Putin have strongly supported India on the issue of Kashmir and without quivering made an announcement that Kashmir is an internal issue of India. It is a big, a very big step of Russia.

    In fact if Russia sticks to this stand of it the same will raise a tremendous pressure on China. The pressure of US on China where has it's own weightage, the weightage of pressure of Russia would be different of being a neighbour to China apart from being a yet another powerful country decorated with advanced weapon systems and massive military size.

    Now again we come back to the point of available possible options!!!

    At the juncture where the majority of countries maintain that Kashmir including POK is the territory that belongs to India, such a scenario opens a window for India to approach International Court of Justice against the illegal occupation of Pakistan on POK which is also against the instrument of accession signed by the Maharaja of Jammu & Kashmir with India.

    To my analysis and acumen this preposition which is highly rationale and peaceful is going to be triggered at an appropriate point of time by India.

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  74. K.V.Rajagopal 14.30 datd 3rd Sept 2019
    An excellent out of the box analysis of the master stroke of Modi in abrogating Article 370, making the Pakistanis feel foolish and helpless, because Article 370, about which they had been ranting
    (like dogs barking from within the compound), no more exists. So Modi in one stroke has taken the wind out of their sails. The other proposal is to invade and take back POK, which is actually ours, illegally occupied by Paki invaders in the aftermath of the
    partition. Maroof Raza the well-known defense analyst has been crying hoarse for years that the Paki rant demanding implementation of the UN resolution on plebiscite has become redundant because the condition precedent for the implementation of the resolution was that the raiders vacate POK illegally occupied by Pakistan, which they have not done. Leaving aside the lack of proper administration and human rights violations in POK, Pakistan is in effect in illegal occupation of our territory, which we have every right to take back. Yes this is not going to be an easy job and will need skillful diplomacy, PR among the malcontent residents, setting them off against those who favour Pakistan. To me it appears that the Pakis have been caught on the wrong foot by this crafty move by Modi and are genuinely rattled. Good and logical analysis. China after playing friends with India (recall the Hindi-Chini bhai bhai slogans of Nehru days) have become vicious to join hands with Pakistan purely for their on selfish reasons, principally the CPEC. Hope what the blogger says becomes a fact.

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  75. Very thoughtful write up and in International relations and life nothing is impossible, however,war doesn't seem to be a near possibility. What India has done is ..it has kept Pakistan on the back foot. Earlier India used to be on backdoor. Now Pakistan rather than crying Kashmir, will be crying POK. We will keep them guessing and engaged for a long time and simultaneously keep the issue of Gilgit-Baltistan alive. Will wait for the right time when thritinternal issues reach high. India would not go into war on its own but wants situations so that world forces India to take action. So overall good for India but face to face war doesn't seem in next 1 year or so. Shekhar

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  76. Logical
    Analytical
    Realistic
    Hats off to you for presenting it in such a simplified manner !!

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  77. Very logical and moreover convincing. Nevertheless, let us presume that matters don't worsen and hope for a better peaceful tomorrow without any blood shed

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  78. I do not agree.
    LOC will become the International boundary.
    India will never fight in Afghanistan as it is a death-knell for Indian forces.
    Today's POK is a huge settlement of Punjabi Pakistanis which India would never want to assimilate.

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  79. Not just pok, it is Baluchistan that is also a worry for pakis. In the event of a war, india will seek to dismember even Baluchistan from the clutches of pak. US may not see the utility of this move but indian enthusiasm for it would finally convince US as pak with or without Baluchistan makes no difference to US either way.

    The time is ripe for a final solution of Pakistan, not just pok.

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  80. My contention is once war starts, nothing may go as planned. It can go into any directions. Things that have been pre-decided between countries like China may not even get executed because country like China have their own hidden agenda & plans which they never reveal & may take a different path once the war starts. Hence India's should execute its plans only if its confident of standing alone & fighting to the last. It should never be dependent on any country's favors or trust any country when it goes to war.

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  81. Disturbing Energies created by drawing a line in 1947 is only on surface but on a wider platform of last 1000 years this land has demanded blood of it's habitants. Entire population on this land has faced coercion and enforced conversion from a Sanatan ideology to satanic faith of land of semantics. As body dies of cause of disease, society dies of cause of disbalance of cumulative soul in the individual bodies. Karmic chakra and reincarnation of same souls is evident from fact that Afghans and Pakis have never stopped raping plundering looting killing their own populace in the last 1000 years.

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  82. An interesting angle would be if India can support Baluchistan freedom fighting and have friendly relationships with it the India can get access to Afghanistan. It's as difficult as get POK integrated to India.

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  83. Mr Kishore has convincingly argued his intepretation of the situation. The issue is peace and socioeconomic development of South East Asia. India China and Pakistan are directly involved with it. In my book "The Coup India Missed" I have discussed how can India achieve this. My argument is that India has to be politically, economically and militarily strong and how to achieve it. The country has a long way to go to reach there.
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  84. A probable scenario! A few possible inputs:
    1. Once India gets POK, we can strangke Pakistan economy completely by blocking the rivers out into Pakistan! This is a threat looks large on Pakistan minds, that's why they wld fight tooth and nail to prevent us taking over POK.
    2. They have recently made two statements, one that they have 'Pav kilo Bombs, meaning Tactical nukes. And secondly they will not necessarily be the 'First' to use the Nuclear option. Taken together this means they would detonate a tactical nuke somewhere in PoK, claiming, it is done by India and then in 'Retalliation' would strike Indian targets, this painting India as the aggressor country, thus getting world sympathy!
    3. For India, the swift strategy is to foment insurgents in PoK and Baluchistan to expose Pak human rights violations in both these provinces. Sindh would immediately follow suit!
    This would embroil Pakistan in internal strife and give us the space to reclaim PoK

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  85. The author has articulated his view of how the reunification of the J&K will happen and what will be the reaction of World Powers especially China to that step?
    I have only one problem with the narrative. It is based on too much of logic and we all know that Nations when driven to the wall or bankrupt, are anything but logical. China in this case is driven to the wall as its colossal investment may sink without trace if POK is taken by India. Given the track record of treachery and deciept by China, it is never going to trust India to safeguard its assets in POK.The Bankruptcy of Pakistan is driving its leadership insane and logical behavior is the last thing we can expect from them. Afghanistan as a country is riven by tribal rivalries and seems to be permanently wedded to incessant violence. Such a situation seems to suit Pakistan very well. Under such circumstances, I can not see peace prevailing in that unfortunate country in near future. Indian intervention will only be costly

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  86. The role of china in the situation presented, is highly underrated..
    While India's option for PoK is logical, china can not afford to keep quite.

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  87. I think PoK is not worth fighting for. It is difficult to retain too as approach from Pak side is easier.
    Best will be to offer Pak a deal in such a way that Gilgit Baltistan area is merged with indian part. India can assure China that Chinese vehicles will be allowed entry on payment of reasonable usance fee.

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  88. Its imagination firstly govt has to improve its economy. War took both countries on backyards..

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  89. Author has explained the issue of kashmir in very simple language but i am not agreeing the probabilities predicted by him. We all know that Modi govt. of India exposed pak funded terrorism internationally very aggressively & successfully. Now we are seeing that it bearing the fruit. Today no one supporting pak except china. Even, muslim nations distanced themselves from pak. China supporting pak because of its huge investment in pak. Further, economy of pakistan is in very bad condition but no one ready to bailout it. We all know that pak facing steep internal unrest from its all corner. Baluchhis, kashmiris, sindhis & khyber pasthuns are not happy with punjabis of pak. They treating other citizens like slaves & literally looting them. This make disintegrate pak soon & its present boundry limited to punjab. On its disintegration, baluch, sindh, pok join india & khyber pasthun with afgan. Modi govt. just add fuel to fire so that pak disintegrate soon for greater interest of india & without any war with pakistan so he can correct the wrong doing of post.

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  90. Why wud USA help India to capture POK? Wt do USA gain? This article is like flying kite? Written under influence of drugs... Halunicating... Why China wud sit tight? Why did USA came to Afganistan? Ans. To get a permanent military base to control, China, Afganistan, Pakistan, India, Russia, China... U got it now... If India offers its military to Afganistan and offers POK, USA military base than its possible. In my opinion. USA will take POK Gift from India

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  91. All fine, BUT

    CAN CHINA BE TRUSTED - NO.

    Get RUSSIANS ALSO TO USE THE CEPC ROUTE.

    Pakistan will fight with India and finish ITSELF, get subdivided.

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  92. Nice analysis. Let us stand with our Government and security forces. Whatever belongs to us should be with us even at the cost of a war.

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  93. Nice analysis, but the China is too powerful and will definitely needle with us by incirsions in ladakh, arunachal doklam etc

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  94. Very good analytical article. One point missed out is demographic changes happened in POK. While India can make Kashmiri pandits to resettle in the Valley, it has very limited scope to correct the excessive presence of civilians favouring Pakistan or independence. This will be tough civilian job. Author need to come up with a new article on this as subject cannot be accommodated in the present article.

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  95. Whether integration of pok with j&k will be beneficial to india? It may lead to disintegration of pakistan into sindh, panjab, baluchistan etc at the cost of one more war.Stable friendly Pakistan is better or four small poor nation neighborhood? Can india , with help of us defeat pak military and militants and stabilize political leadership there?

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  96. The real culprit in Pakistan is its army whose importance or existence depend upon Kashmir dispute.They are rough, nonreliable and resort to any action to sustain themselves. But Pak army has memory of their defeat in Bangladesh.
    India needs to expose pak Army in Pak as well as intl forums. Pak public is suffering due to its Army and has soft corner for India. Pak will be defeated not only becausr of india but also because of its own public.
    India is strong economy and most of big countries will support india as india is reliable country

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  97. The simplest thing that Indian people should migrate to Kashmir and flood the population there with Hindus since Article 370 is removed. The region is good for semiconductor industrial growth and should counter the local population which is possible now. In addition the Pa nd its should return back to the valley and take control of their properties. This will ease undertaking action in POK

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  99. Commendable thought!
    However history tells us erstwhile Soviet Union borders extended right upto Afghanistan.That is till Tajikistan it was Soviet Russia.
    A very large stretch of land bordering Afghanistan.
    Yet they couldn't sustain their hold in Afghanistan.
    Ditto US forces now desperate to exit. Even though they have entire Pakistan covered with their Air Power. No retaliation from Pakistan to frequent targeting of taliban fugitives , save havens within Pakistan.
    If Indian forces were to gain entry through the very narrow treacherous terrain thorough Gilgit, holding on and maintaining supply lines will be next to impossible. That too when 8 months of snow makes the passes inaccessible.
    The fierce Taliban with Pakistan support will disrupt the stretched supply lines. Ditto Baluchistan where China facing near closures of Gwadar port and CPEC.
    Next if Pakistani rewarded with funds from US will surely use it in Indo Pak border and also aid the Anti India forces in Kashmir Afghanistan .They are at it . This might cause our forces to loose precious resources..
    Even if we are sparsely compensated by US and Western nations. It might strain our resources. Then on condition of our continued compliance and to support us, should terms emerge towards Denuclearization? A long term Western interest.
    Will China be tempted to try it's chances then at North East..


    😗From a humble Indian citizen related to few who attended call of duty in 1965 1971 Indo Pak wars . 🙏

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  100. Excellent write up and very logical

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